This is the May 30, 2008 Midrealm Letter of Acceptances and Returns for Escuteheon's March 2008 ILoI, as well as more of the backlog files. Comments in the brackets {} were removed to create the External Letter of Intent sent to the Laurel Queen of Arms.

Rouge Scarpe rulings, commentary, general ramblings, etc is in CAPS. My thanks to commentary from Master Talan, Lady AElfreda aet AEthelwealda, Lord Mikhail of Lubelska, Lady Aryanhwy, and Master John ap Wynne


1) Aethelwyn Castrel of Arran -- Confraternity of Eve -- New Household Name & Badge -- Or, an apple gules surrounded by a serpent in annulo vert



[Confraternity] The OED site has confraternite (1675), confraternitie (1601), confraternity (1654)

[Eve] Withycombe p112 entry Eva, Eve. "Found in use in England from about the end of the 12th century."

Esct. Note: Client's name was registered in December 1990

The client cares most about meaning, and would accept "Followers of Eve".

{AE&M: Badge: This is identical to the badge submitted on the September 2006 ILOI, under the name Aethelwyn Castrel of Arran. According to the Rouge Scarpe database, it was returned in kingdom November 2006. There is no explanation given as to why this was done, as opposed to sending it forward attached to the submitter's personal name (the household name was returned also).

No conflicts found.

Talan: This should be listed under Aethelwyn's name (which was registered 12/90).

> New Household Name & Device -- Or, an apple gules
> surrounded by a serpent in annulo vert

The apple is _within_ the serpent, which is swallowing its tail. A serpent in annulo swallowing its tail is 'a serpent involved', and it's customary to blazon the position of the head if it's not in chief. The usual alternative is to put it in base; perhaps that was intended here, but the emblazon actually shows it more nearly in dexter base than anywhere else, so I make this 'Or, an apple gules within a serpent involved head to dexter base vert'. (The head is actually somewhere between base and a canonical dexter base.)

> [Confraternity] The OED site has confraternite (1675),

That date should be ~1475 (or ca. 1475). This is the only spelling noted in the Middle English Dictionary at http://quod.lib.umich.edu/m/med/, which offers two quotations, both from the later 15th century.

> confraternitie (1601), confraternity (1654)

On the basis of the admittedly limited evidence from the OED and the MED, I'd change the spelling to <Confraternite>.

> [Eve] Withycombe p112 entry Eva, Eve. "Found in use in
> England from about the end of the 12th century."

My article 'Feminine Given Names in _A Dictionary of English Surnames_' at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/ lists <Eve> 1284, 1486. Use of <Eve> as a personal name isn't particularly relevant, however: in this context it would be surprising if the reference were not to the figure from Christian mythology.

Ary: Per the Admin Handbook, this should have been listed under the submitter's primary SCA name, not the name of the household.

This is not a new household name and device; it is a household name resubmission and a household *badge* resubmission. The household name <Confraternity of Saint Eve> was returned 11/2006, and the badge "Or, an apple gules surrounded by a serpent in annulo vert" was returned at the same time. We need to know *why* these submissions were returned in order to determine whether these submissions have adequately addresses the previous problems.

Presumably, the problem with the previous submission is the same problem that this has: No documentation was provided for the household pattern <confraternity> + <saint> or <confraternity> + <woman's name>.
Household names are just like personal names in that not only their elements but also their structure must be demonstrably medieval. Lacking such documentation, this needs to be returned again.

The badge needs to be reblazoned as "Or, an apple gules within a serpant involved in annulo vert." The closest I found is Robyn Adames (reg. 01/1997 via An Tir), "Or, a robin contourny proper perched atop an apple gules a bordure vert," with one CD for removing the co-primary bird and another for changing the bordure to a snake. Vs.Atlantia, University of (reg. 01/1981 via Atlantia), "Or, an apple slipped and leaved within a wreath of apple blossoms slipped and leaved proper," there's one CD for the type and one for the tincture of the secondary. Unless anyone else finds any conflicts, I see no problems; since the submitter's primary name is registered, if the household name is returned, there is no need to also return the badge, since it can be registered as a personal badge to the submitter.

BASED ON PAST PRECEDENT, WE HAVE ACCEPTED AND REGISTERED "Pack", "Consort of Musicke" "Company", "Band" and "Inn" AS HOUSEHOLD DESIGNATORS, "Confraternity" SEEMS TO FOLLOW IN THE SAME VEIN OF A GROUP OF PEOPLE. AS WE HAVE NO FILES OR RECORD OF THE ORIGINAL RETURN, AND BASED ON CURRENT RESEARCH THIS WILL BE FORWARDED ON TO LAUREL, WITH THE BADGE BLAZON ADJUSTED TO: Or, an apple gules within a serpent involved head to dexter base vert.}

2) Alan of Caerlaverock - (M) -- New Badge -- Or three arrowheads in pall inverted within a hex voided vert.



Esct. Note: Clients name was registered in January 1999.

{AE&M: Device: The shape is a hexagon. No conflicts found.

Talan: There should be a comma after the field tincture, the orientation of the arrowheads (actually broad arrowheads in conventional terminology) needs to be specified, and the enclosing charge is a hexagon: 'Or, three broad arrowheads in pall inverted points outward within a hexagon voided vert'.

Ary: The secondary charge is not a "hex" it is a "hexagon". The arrowheads should be specified as being "points outwards" or "bases to center" (either is fine). No conflicts found.

FORWARDED TO LAUREL. BLAZON CHANGED TO: Or, three broad arrowheads in pall inverted points outward within a hexagon voided vert.}

3) Alianora bat Asriel - (F) -- Name and Device Resubmission -- Argent, an orle of roses purpure, barbed and seeded proper.



Name previously submitted but not registered: Alia* bat Asriel ben Gilead (Spelling may have been Aliyah). Submitted at Pennsic 2006. No reply received (See Esct. note below)

<Alianora*> - Withcombe E.G. : "The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names", 3rd ed., pg 97 - Alianora
<Asriel> - man's name, Biblical (Hebrew)
<bat> - Feminine patronymic (Hebrew)

*"Jewish Women generally used names typical of the culture in which they lived..." http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/geniza.html

Esct. Notes: Client cares most about language and/or culture: Jewish

Client submitted name at Pennsic 2006. She received an email about a problem with her name. She answered with additional documentation and never heard anything again.
Search of Rouge Scarpe database shows both name and device returned in Nov 2006, but no further information was given. Dragon Herald has been notified by the Escutcheon and the above as been entered as a resubmission per Dragon's instructions.

{AE&M: Device: Probably not a conflict with Heather Rose of Glen Laurie, device associated with this name was registered in August of 1979 (via Caid): 'Argent, three bouquets of three garden roses purpure, slipped and leaved vert.' As part of a previous decision it was noted that Heather Rose's bouquets are visually one flower each. There would then be 1 CD for the number of flowers, and a second CD for their arrangement on the field (default vs. in orle).

From the Precedents of Francoise la Flamme (First Tenure): "[Argent, three irises purpure slipped and leaved vert] Conflict under RfS X.5, "Visual Test", with Heather Rose of Glen Laurie, Argent, three bouquets of three garden roses purpure slipped and leaved vert. Ordinarily we would expect there to be a CD for number of charges between a bouquet of three flowers and a single flower, and also a CD for changing the type of flower from a rose to an iris. However, on comparing these emblazons they are visually very similar. The bouquets in Heather's device each have one large purple flower and two negligibly small purple flowers, so that the bouquets are visually very close to a single flower slipped and leaved. In addition, the roses in Heather's device and the irises in Beatrice's device are both drawn indistinctly, so there is no strong visual difference due to the types of flowers. On the whole, the two pieces of armory resemble each other so strongly that they are not clear of conflict under the Visual Test. [Beatrice Villani, 10/03, R-Atlantia]"

Talan: The barbing is a bit overenthusiastic -- barbs don't normally rival the petals in size! -- but this is not grounds for requiring a new emblazon.

Someone will probably want to argue that this conflicts with Heather Rose of Glen Laurie, 'Argent, three bouquets of three garden roses purpure, slipped and leaved vert' (8/79), with no difference given between roses and garden roses and no difference given for seven versus nine roses. There should, however, be no conflict here: an orle of roses is a peripheral charge group, so Alianora's coat, unlike Heather's, has no primary charge group, and the two can no more conflict than 'Argent, a lion rampant gules' can conflict with 'Argent, a bordure gules'. (The examples in RfS X.1 make it clear that 'Argent, a lion rampant within a bordure gules' does not conflict with 'Argent, a bordure gules', and the latter obviously differs even more from 'Argent, a lion rampant gules'.)

For that matter, Alianora's coat is clear of Heather's even on straight 'point count', with one CD for arrangement of the charges and another for number: the charges in Heather's coat are the bouquets, not the individual roses, and a CD is given for the difference between three and nine (or however many are needed to fill out the orle).

> Name previously submitted but not registered: Alia* bat
> Asriel ben Gilead (Spelling may have been Aliyah).
> Submitted at Pennsic 2006. No reply received (See Esct.
> note below)

> <Alianora*> - Withcombe E.G. : _The Oxford Dictionary of
> English Christian Names_, 3rd ed., pg 97 - Alianora

This citation is missing its date:

> <Asriel> - man's name, Biblical (Hebrew)

Simon Seror, Les noms des Juifs de France au Moyen Âge, Éditions du Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique, Paris, 1989, has no instance of this name; is there any evidence that it was used in historical times?

> <bat> - Feminine patronymic (Hebrew)

No, it's just 'daughter'; it's used to *form* feminine patronymics.

Ary: This is clear of Kimberley of Mountain's Gate (reg. 01/1994 via the West), "Argent, a pegasus passant sable within an orle of roses purpure," by X.1, but it conflicts with Heather Rose of Glen Laurie (reg. 08/1979 via Caid), "Argent, three bouquets of three garden roses purpure, slipped and leaved vert." There is no CD for garden roses vs. heraldic roses and no CD for the slipping and leaving:

"Anna de Battista. Device. Or, a garden rosebud gules, slipped and leaved vert within a bordure flory gules. This conflicts with the arms of Rosenmann (Rietstap): Or, a rose gules. There's a CD for the bordure, but no difference for garden rose(bud) vs. heraldic rose, and we've yet seen no evidence that period heralds granted difference for slipping and leaving." [LoAR 05/1993]

There's no CD for the change from nine to seven roses, and that leaves just one CD for the arrangement.

FORWARDED TO LAUREL}

4) Cailin mac Aonghuis - (M) -- New Name --

http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/gaelicgiven/men.shtml
From the page given above client references a table of Scottish, Gaelic names for men (draft in progress edition) showing <Cailin> in use between 1401 - 1600 and <Aonghuis> in use between 1301-1600. Client gives much other documentation from the same general website (web addresses are cut off on printouts) however does not specify which portions he is using as supportive documentation.
Esct. Note: Client will NOT accept Major changes to name. Client cares most about Language and/or culture: 16th cent. Scottish Gaelic Highlands.

{Commentary:
Talan: More accurately, it has <Aonghus>; <Aonghuis> is the genitive, which does not appear in that table.

I know of no problems with the name.

John: Cailin: see Conway (p.69); lists 'Caelan', with several variations. These include: Cael, Cailean, Caelin, Callean - take your pick. See also Zaczek (p.70 under 'Colin'); O'Corraign/Maguire (p.66 under 'Cuilen'); several sources also give the Scottish equivalent of St. Columba's name, which I didn't think the client intended.
Aonghuis: this is aspirated, of course, but see Zaczek (p.45); Conway (p.68); Norman (p.114) dates the name to 843 AD; Black (pp. 23-24) Ellis (pp. 27-28)

FORWARDED TO LAUREL}

5) Caitrina inghean mhic Mhaolain -- New Device -- Azure, a Heneage Knot, in chief three mullets argent



Esct. Note: Client's name was registered in August 2006.

{AE&M: Device: No conflicts found. This is probably clear of Halvdan Stormulv (badge associated with this name was registered in September of 1993 (via Ansteorra)): 'Azure, a valknut argent', with one CD for the style of knot and a second for the addition of the secondaries.

Talan: 'Knot' should not be capitalized. The blazon would be more euphonious with a conjunction in place of the second comma: 'Azure, a Heneage knot and in chief three mullets argent'.

Ary: The submitter should be advised to draw the knot larger in the future, so that it fills the available space. No conflicts found.

FORWARDED TO LAUREL}

6) Elianora Saunfayle - (F) -- New Name --

Elianora:
Source #1
http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/aelfwyn/kentfemnames.html
Elianora: "Feminine Given Names from Kent 1302-1363", by Aelfwyn aet Gyrwum (MKA Jodi Mc Master), 1999/updated 2005, from The Caterbury Freeman's Rolls of 1298-1363 - drawn from Du Boulay, F.R.H., "Kent Records: Documents illustrative of Medieval Kentish Society" (London: Records Publication Committee of Kent Archeological Society, 1962). Entry Reads: "Elianora- 1345-46.

Source #2
http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Eleanor
"Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames", by Talan Gwynek (MKA Brian M. Scott) (1994). Entry reads: "Elianora-1303, 1346(w), 1483 Thimbledee"

Saunfayle:
http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/misplacednamesbyname.htm
"Misplaced Names in Reaney and Wilson", by Jean Marie LaCroix (MKA Martha L. Rance), last revised 10-20-03. Entry, listed as appearing on page 392, reads "Saunfayle-1332".

Esct. Note: Client will NOT accept Major changes to name. Client asks that name not be changed to Elinor/Eleanor

{AE&M: Name: Both of the names are found in England, dated to within a decade or so of each other.

Talan: <Elianora> is a Latinized form, almost certainly not what these woman were called or called themselves. (This is of course no bar to registration.)

> Saunfayle:
> http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/misplacednamesbyname.htm
> 'Misplaced Names in Reaney and Wilson', by Jean Marie
> LaCroix (MKA Martha L. Rance), last revised 10-20-03.
> Entry, listed as appearing on page 392, reads
> Saunfayle-1332.

I would offer the reference on which this is based: Reaney & Wilson s.n. <Sansaver>.

The name is a perfectly acceptable documentary form, and the documentation is adequate.

NAME FORWARDED TO LAUREL}

7) Gillityr, Son of Guthbrandr –- New Name & Device -- Gyronny arrondi vert and Or



[Gillityr] Translates to “Servant of Tyr”. Gilli short form of Irish names in Gilli, meaning “servant”. Found in Iceland at the time of the Settlement, Probably occurs mostly in persons of Celtic descent, such as Haraldr gilli, whose Irish name was Gillikristr, “servant of Christ.” Geirr Bassi Haraldsson. The Old Norse Name, Studia Marklandica I, Olney, MD: Markland Medieval Militia. 1977. p10 s.n. Gilli. Fellows-Jensen, Gillian, Scandinavian Personal Names in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire, Copenhagen, Akademisk Forlag, 1968 pp100-101 s.n. Gilli

[Guthbrandr] Translates to “Odin’s Sword” or “God’s Sword”. This spelling is modern. The old form uses “funky” characters. Client will to accept traditional spelling.

{AE&M: Device: Conflicts with Ottar Hrafnsson, device registered in May of 1998 (via the Middle): 'Gyronny arrondy Or and azure'; and, Campbell, Duke of Argyll, device registered in December of 1994 (via Laurel): 'Gyronny Or and sable'.

Talan: Although the spelling 'arrondi' has been registered more often, the English spelling is 'arrondy', and in general we use English spellings.

> [Gillityr] Translates to “Servant of Tyr”.

The Scandinavian god's name is actually <T-r>.

> Gilli short form of Irish names in Gilli, meaning servant.
> Found in Iceland at the time of the Settlement,
> Probably occurs mostly in persons of Celtic descent, such
> as Haraldr gilli, whose Irish name was Gillikristr,
> servant of Christ.

This isn't quite correct: Fellows Jensen, from whom this is paraphrased, does not actually say that Haraldr gilli was of Irish descent, but only that he had both an Old Norse and an Irish name. She herself is guilty of a couple of inaccuracies. First, the Irish names in question are names in <Gilla>, not <Gilli>. Secondly, <Gillikristr> may be an Old Norse rendering of his Irish name, but it definitely isn't Irish as it stands, since the final <-r> is an Old Norse inflectional suffix that doesn't occur in Irish. The actual Irish name in question is <Gilla Cr-st>, which has an entry in Maguire.

Because <Gillikristr> is simply an Old Norse spelling of an existing Early Irish name, it would support <Gillityr> only if that could be justified as an Old Norse spelling of an existing Early Irish name. However, the Irish <Gilla X> names are overwhelmingly Christian in character: in seven of the eleven names of this type in Corrin & Maguire the second element is the name of a saint, and in the remaining four it translates to 'Christ', 'Jesus', '(the) bishop', and 'the saints', respectively. Even if this weren't the case, the god name <T-r> is Old Norse, not Irish, so an Early Irish <Gilla X> name based on <T-r> is thoroughly improbable, to put it mildly.

In short, the construction of <Gillityr> is based on a profound misunderstanding, and the name itself can't be justified. This will have to be returned.

In case anyone is curious, I did some further research to see what I could discover about Haraldr gilli. According to =C6ttart=F6lur, part of Flateyjarb=F3k, he was the son of Magnús berbeinn. According to http://notendur.snerpa.is/systaoggaui/haraldurgilli.htm, his mother was Irish and he was king of Norway from 1130 until he was killed in 1136. Chapter 34 of “Saga Sigurðar Jórsalafara, Eysteins ok Ólafs“, from Heimskringla, available online at http://www.heimskringla.no/original/heimskringla/sagasigurdarjorsalafara.php, begins:

Hallkell húkr, son Jóns smjörbalta, var lendr maðr á Mœri; hann fór vestr um haf, ok alt til Suðreyja; þar kom til fundar við hann utan af Írlandi sá maðr, er hét Gillikristr, ok sagðist vera son Magnús konungs berfœtts; móðir hans fylgði honum ok sagði, at hann hét Haraldr öðru nafni.

Hallkell húkr, son of Jóns smjörbalta, was a landed man of maðr á Mœri [a district in Norway]; he traveled west over the sea, all the way to the Hebrides; there came to meet with him that man from Ireland who was called Gillikristr, who said that he was the son of king Magnús berfœtts; his mother followed him and said that his other name was Haraldr.

Chapter 35 has a description:

Haraldr gilli var maðr hár ok grannvaxinn, hálslangr, heldr langleitr, svarteygr, døkkhárr, skjótligr ok fráligr, ok hafði mjök búnað írskan, stuttklæddr ok léttklæddr; stirt var honum norrœnt mál, ok kylfdi mjök til orðanna, ok höfðu margir menn þat mjök at spotti.

Haraldr gilli was a tall man and slender, long-necked, rather long-faced, black-eyed, dark-haired, alert and quick, and he had very Irish clothing, short and light; he was not fluent in the Norse tongue and hesitated for words, and many people greatly ridiculed this.

> Geirr Bassi Haraldsson. The Old Norse Name, Studia
> Marklandica I, Olney, MD: Markland Medieval Militia. 1977.
> p10 s.n. Gilli.

This source merely has the name <Gilli>, with a notation indicating that it is of Celtic origin; it does nothing at all to support the hypothetical <Gillityr>.

> Fellows-Jensen, Gillian, Scandinavian Personal Names in
> Lincolnshire and Yorkshire, Copenhagen, Akademisk Forlag,
> 1968 pp100-101 s.n. Gilli

This is the actual source of the information paraphrased above.

> [Guthbrandr] Translates to “Odin’s Sword” or “God’s
> Sword”.

No, it doesn't; it's not something susceptible of translation at all. It's a dithematic name whose elements, <Gu=F0-> (earlier <Go=F0->) and <-brandr>, are etymologically identical to the common nouns <go=F0> 'gods' and <brandr> 'a brand, a firebrand; the blade of a sword; a ship's beak', but it does not itself have a meaning as a common noun.

> This spelling is modern. The old form uses “funky”
> characters. Client will to accept traditional spelling.

The Old Norse patronymic byname is <Gu=F0brandz son>, <Gu=F0brands son>, <Gu=F0brandsson>, etc., depending on the normalization chosen; the first version is probably most typical of early practice.

Ary: This conflicts with Ottar Hrafnsson (reg. 05/1998 via the Middle), "Gyronny arrondy Or and azure," and with Campbell, Duke of Argyll (reg. 12/1994 via Laurel), "Gyronny Or and sable," with a CD for changing half the incture, but none for gyronny vs. gyronny arrondy:

"At this time we are explicitly ruling that there is not a CD between gyronny and gyronny arrondi." [LoAR 08/2006]

DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT WITH “GYRONNY ARRONDY OR AND AZURE” (OTTAR HRAFNSSON, 05/98)
NAME RETURNED PER MASTER TALAN’S RESEARCH}

8) Godfrey Thacker of Northumberland –- Device Appeal -- Barry nebuly, argent and vert, a pale counterchanged



[Appeal] Device redrawn to show Nebuly lines “in-phase” and to have even number of bars. The proposed arms could be viewed as a stylistic combination of the following two period arms. Philip Bassett - Barry nebuly of six Or and gules ( http://perso.numericable.fr/~briantimms/rolls/CamdenD2.html). William Bruges (1398-1413) - Nine pieces of Ermine and Ermines (http://cheshire-heraldry.org.uk/heralds/)

Esct. Note: Client’s name registered June 1988.

{AE&M: This is a device resubmission, not an appeal, since it has been redrawn from the previous submission, which was on the April 2007 ILOI. Unfortunately, the "nebules" are much smaller than in the previous submission.

No conflicts found.

Talan: 'Nebuly' should not be capitalized, and the first comma should not be there. It wouldn't hurt to specify the number of traits: 'Barry nebuly of six argent and vert, a pale counterchanged'.

> [Appeal] Device redrawn to show Nebuly lines “in-phase”
> and to have even number of bars.

What was the earlier submission, and when and why was it returned? It appears from my records that the 4/07 ILoI included a submission by him blazoned 'Barry Nebuly of five, argent and vert, a pale counterchanged' but actually showing 'Argent, two bars nebuly counter-nebuly vert surmounted by a pale counterchanged' or 'Argent, a pale vert surmounted by two bars nebuly counter-nebuly counterchanged'. Since he's changed to coat in response to the ommentary, this is a resubmission, not an appeal. (The coat submitted on the 4/07 ILoI was probably identical to the one that was returned by Laurel 6/88 for conflict with Gwydion Pendderwen, 'Argent, on a pale vert, a crescent above three acorns Or' under the rules then in effect.)

> The proposed arms could be viewed as a stylistic
> combination of the following two period arms. Philip
> Bassett - Barry nebuly of six Or and gules
> (http://perso.numericable.fr/~briantimms/rolls/CamdenD2.html).
> William Bruges (1398-1413) - Nine pieces of Ermine and
> Ermines (http://cheshire-heraldry.org.uk/heralds/)

Only in a rather superficial sense. The Bassett coat is a standard field division, barry, with complex partition lines; the Bruges coat, which we'd blazon 'Checky of nine (panes) ermine and counterermine', is a very coarse checky with plain partition lines. If the submitted coat were 'Checky of nine per fess nebuly argent and vert', it could more reasonably be viewed as a combination of the two, combining the coarse checky with the complex partition lines. But in fact it's not a kind of checky: if it were, the panes would be more nearly square. In fact, it can't be obtained from any standard field division just by making some of the partition lines complex instead of simple. It really is a pale counterchanged against a complex field. Unfortunately, the visual effect is much closer to that of a checky field, and as a result the pale isn't as readily identifiable as it ought to be.

Given the lack of period models and the somewhat confusing nature of the design, I'd be inclined to return it. I might consider letting Wreath make the final call, but in that case I'd argue in the ELoI *against* registering it.

Ary: If this is an appeal, we *must* know what the previous submission was and why it was returned. This must be an appeal of the submission "Barry nebuly of five, argent and vert, a pale counterchanged," which was on the April 2007 ILoI. Because Rouge Scarpe hasn't published any ILoARs for almost two years, I can't say why it was returned. Hopefully she will provide that information to the commenters.

AS WE HAVE NO INFORMATION ON THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION OR ITS RETURN, WE WILL TREAT THIS AS A RESUBMISSION BASED ON IT’S OWN MERITS, REGARDLESS OF THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION’S DISPOSITION. IT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT AN APPEAL, SINCE THE DRAWING HAS BEEN CHANGED FROM THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION. FORWARDED TO LAUREL.}

9) Gruffud vab Ednyvet -– New Name & Device -- Argent fretty sable nailed Or.



[Gruffud] (http://s-gabriel.org/3166)

[vab] (http://s-gabriel.org/3166).

[Ednyvet] (http://s-gabriel.org/3166)

The client will NOT accept major or minor changes to the name. If the name is to be changed, he cares most about language & culture: “13th Century Welsh/Wales”.

{AE&M: Device: Possible conflict with Conrad von Graz, badge registered in October of 1982 (via An Tir):
'Argent, a fret couped of six two-pronged forks sable'. There is 1 CD for adding the nails, but we are unsure if there is a second CD for the style of fret.

Talan: The name and its documentation are fine.

Ary: The summary of the documentation is inadequate. Incomplete summaries are grounds for return:

"All the elements in this name were documented from a letter from the Academy of Saint Gabriel. However, the letter was not adequately summarized in the LoI, which has been cause for return in the past... By Laurel precedent, the College is not required to look up Documentation that is not adequately summarized on the LoI...Kingdom submissions heralds should be aware that inadequate summarization of supporting documentation has been and will continue to be a reason for return."
[Isa van Reinholte, 11/01, A-Ansteorra]

NAME & DEVICE FORWARDED TO LAUREL}

10) Guglielmo Marchionni – New Name

[Guglielmo] “Online Catasto of 1427” ( http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/catasto/overview.html)

[Marchionni] “Online Catasto of 1427” ( http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/catasto/overview.html). Byname changed from given name “Marchionne” as per guidelines for Italian patronymics found on “West Kingdom College of Heralds” ( http://heralds.westkingdom.org/ClassHandouts/CommonNamingPatterns.htm)

The client will NOT accept major changes to the name. If the name must be changed, he is most concerned about language & culture – “Italian”

{Talan: This URL merely points to the front page; it doesn't point to the names themselves. A more convenient source derived from the Catasto is Ferrante LaVolpe, 'Italian Names from Florance [sic], 1427', at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ferrante/catasto/; the frequency list at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ferrante/catasto/namesf.txt shows that both <Guglielmo> and <Marchionne> were of low-medium frequency.

> Byname changed from given name “Marchionne” as per
> guidelines for Italian patronymics found on “West Kingdom
> College of Heralds”

( http://heralds.westkingdom.org/ClassHandouts/CommonNamingPatterns.htm)

The name appears to be fine.

Ary: It would be better to cite the direct URL for the given names found in the Online Catasto, which is http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/catasto/newsearch/first_names.html. It should be noted that <Guglielmo> is found there 22 times, and <Marchionne> 10 times.

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