This is the September 2003 Middle Kingdom Letter of Acceptances and Returns for Escutcheon’s July Letter of Intent. Unless otherwise noted, all clients will accept changes. {Comments in braces {} were removed from the Letter of Intent sent to Laurel and the College of Arms. Names, devices, or badges in braces have been returned or pended; general comments or replies to commentary are also placed in braces. Commentary, rulings, etc. by Dragon are placed in small cap print.}. Thanks to Dugan MacLeod, Angelique Michele d' Herisson, Angharad Rhos Tewdwr, Aryanhwy merch Catmael, Canute, Ælfreda æt Æthelwealda, & Mikhail of Lubelska, for their commentary this month.}  

 

And now, ON WITH THE SHOW!  

1) Bran of Lough Derg. (F) Device Resubmission. Or, a raven displayed proper perched upon a crescent inverted gules, a bordure embattled sable.

(McCordsville, IN)

{Name reg’d:11/89}

Original device, Or, in pale a bird displayed sable perched atop a crescent inverted gules, between the horns a mountain of three peaks couped sable. returned 06/00 by Laurel:

The device has three different types of charge in the same charge group, violating the rule of thumb in RfS VIII.1.a. Armorial Simplicity, ... As another guideline, three or more types of charges should not be used in the same group.

This resubmission has omitted the mountains and added a bordure. 

Device Commentary

AElfreda & Mikhail: Device:  The primary charge should be reblazoned as a "bird", as Franciois's precedents state: 

 

"The birds were originally blazoned as "ravens displayed". Ravens are not found in the displayed posture in period heraldry. They are close by default and almost always found in that posture. The unusual posture makes them more closely resemble eagles, which are usually found in the displayed posture. Because of the difficulty of identifying these birds as any particular sort of bird, they have been reblazoned as generic birds. See the cover letter of January 2000 for a more complete discussion of the interaction between bird type and bird posture. [device return for Brangwayn Snowden, Jan 2002 LoaR]" 

 

This device may conflict with Christiaen de Groote (reg 8/01) "Or, on an eagle sable a cross formy fitchy Or a bordure embattled sable."  There is no difference for the coloring of a raven proper (sable, beaked & legged gules) vs. sable. {The color web copy shows Or beak & sable legs.}  As it's not in default posture for a raven, there is no CD for generic bird vs. eagle.  If the crescent is consider a co-primary, there is a CD for its addition, and another for removal of the tertiary cross.  If the crescent is considered a tertiary, since it does overlap the bird, there is only one CD for changes to the tertiary. 

Canute: ...Additionally any bird other than an eagle in a displayed posture will be considered a "weirdness"... [01/00, CL] 

Precedents - Elsbeth, under BIRD - Precedent on Difference  

Clear
 

Reblazoned: Or, a bird displayed sable perched atop a crescent inverted gules, a bordure embattled sable. 

 

{) Magnus Vargsson. (M) New Name and Device. Gyronny arrondy of 12 azure and argent, a mule and a turtle rampant addorsed Or.

(Milwaukee)}

[Magnus]~Geirr Bassi Haraldsspn’s “The Old Norse Name” no page cited.

[Vargsson]~ constructed from [Vargr] found in “Norrsk-Isla:ndska Dpopnamn ock Fingerade Namn fra*n Medeltiden” by E. H. Lind, (Upsala & Leipzig:1905-1915, sup Oslo, Uppsala and Kobenahavn: 1931), s. n Vargr dated ca 1100, 1240. 

Client will NOT accept MAJOR changes, cares most about having a Scandinavian language/culture name and wants a name authentic to 14th century Sweden.

We are returning the name submission for better documentation on the byname. While the ILoI cites Vargsson as a construction from Vargr, documented by Lind, no copies of such documentation are supplied. To quote from the Precedents of Dame Elsbeth:

Changing Vargsson to vargh as suggested is a major change, which is not allowed by the client.

The Device is being returned with the name. 

 

Name Commentary

Ary: There is no need to cite page numbers for Geirr Bassi, as his list are arranged alphabetically.   

 

The byname is incorrectly constructed.  <vargr> 'wolf' is a byname, not a given name, according to Lind.  As far as I know, there is one possible example of a patronymic formed from the father's byname, and not his given name, and that example is suspect. This can be corrected by making <vargr> a nickname: <Magnus vargr>.  This spelling may not be the best choice for the 14th century, however.  The dated forms that Lind gives, among others, are: 

 

* Vargr ca. 1100, 1240 

* Vargh 1308 

* Vargher (no date) 

* Wargh 1489 

* Varg 1509 

 

I would recommend changing this to <vargh>, to match his time period. 

Device Commentary

Ary: The numbers in the blazon should be written out in full: "Gyronny arrondy of twelve azure and argent, a mule and a turtle rampant addorsed Or." 

Canute: Clear 

 

2) Maire of Glencoe. (F) Name Resubmission.

(Canton of Rimsholt)

[Máire]- Donnchadh Ó Corráin and Fidelma Maguire, Irish Names, 2nd edition (Dublin, Ireland: Lilliput Press, 1990).

Woulfe, Patrick, Irish Names and Surnames, Special Revised Edition (Kansas City, MO: Irish Genealogical Foundation, 1992). Also found in “Index of Names in Irish Annals” by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Maire.shtml

[Glencoe] – clan Donald; Donald J. Mc Donald of Castleton, pps. 195-226.

Original name [Mailse of Glencoe] submission returned by Rouge Scarpe 03/03 for lack of documentation for [Mailse]. Client wants and Irish given name with a Scottish place name.

Glencoe - www.glencoscotland.com/thehistory.htm gives dates back to 1308 for Glencoe 

 

Name Commentary

Ary: It's nice that she has lots of sources for the given name, but none of them are any use unless they include dates and/or discusses of medieval usage.  (The last two names she submitted were also found in Woulfe...that's not guarantee that they're acceptable).  <Mire> (note accent) was a quite uncommon name in medieval Ireland, with compound forms such as <Mel Muire> being more common.  However, <Mire> does show up in the annals 13 times between 1396 and 1601. 

 

The documentation for <Glencoe> is insufficient, and this should not be sent to Laurel unless a dated citation for the place name can be found. 

 

{
) Marie Boleyn. (F) Device Resubmission. Purpure, a maiden arms upraised Or, on a chief argent a dachshund statant gules.

(Muskegan, MI)

{Name reg’d:11/98}

Original device returned by Laurel 11/02 for a non-period depiction of a maiden (she was vested in a halter and harem paints). Client has redrawn the maiden in western clothing and changed the tincture of the dachshund to gules (original was sable). 

We are returning this submission. The dachshund is still unidentifiable, and looks more like a skinny gules blob that a dog.} 

Device Commentary:

Ary: This has to be returned for identifiability again.  The dog is still unidentifiable and must be redrawn. Also, the maiden is _affronty_. 

Canute: The dachshund is unidentifiable. 

 

Return for redraw. 

 

3) Melchor Stoneteeth. (M) Device Resubmission. Argent, masoned sable, a bull rampant guardant sable, on a chief embattled azure a sword fesswise reversed argent.

(Cincinnati)

{Name reg’d:2/95}

Original device (Argent masoned sable, goutty de sang, a bull rampant guardant sable and on a chief embattled azure a sword reversed argent ) returned by Laurel 9/96 for redraw. This submission is a new variant. 

Device Commentary:

Canute: Argent masoned sable, a bull salient guardant sable on a chief embattled azure a sword fesswise reversed argent 

The chief is too thin. 

Clear 

Redraw? 

4) Shih Tan Po. (M) Name and Device Resubmission. Sable, a wheel emflamed and in chief two natural tigers couchant and respectant Or marked sable.

(Springfield, IL)

Original name and device submission returned by Rouge Scarpe 4/03 because the documentation was very difficult to adequately summarize.

Names found in “In Search of Your Asian Roots: Genealogical Research on Chinese Surnames” by Sheau-yueh J. Chao pp.160,170, 149 Also various searches at the website http://www.Chineseroots.com

In the following the Wades-Giles romanization is listed first in brackets and the Pinyin in parenthesis after) 

[Shih](Shi3)

“The chineseroots.com website shows the surname <Shi3> as being in use well before our period.  Legend places it at the mid-third millenium BC; concrete records have it back to at least 722 BC, with other examples in various other times ranging up to the late Ming Dynasty (AD 1368-1644).  The character means "history," and the etymology given by that website seems likely.” ~from Zacarias’ commentary on the client’s documentation in the original submission. 

The next two elements are a familiar name. While the romanization is the same as previously submitted the characters are different. The name [Tan Po] (Tan2 Bo2) can be translated as ‘deeply changes color in the face’. This descriptive familiar byname would be appropriate for a Buddhist monk persona. For exact characters see http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/3919/atoz.html under the appropriate entries. Client wants a Mandarin name. 

 

Client has re-colored his device (original submission had the tigers orange-red which could not be properly called either gules or Or).  

Name Commentary:

Ary: - I _believe_ that <Shi3> is a different name than <Shi4>, which is discussed in an addendum to Academy of S. Gabriel report #2527 (http://www.s-gabriel.org/2527): 

 

"Correction, Yin Mei Li & Arval, 19 Apr 2003: We originally included <Shih> in the list of given names, with the following paragraph: 

 

  Shih4 [Shi4],  

    pronounced \shR\ [4] 

   

    A ming and tzu used from at least 2nd C BCE through 10th C AD. 

    Apparently given to a very important woman in a family, usually 

    the patriarch's mother, wife or favorite concubine, or a daughter 

    whose hoped-for marriage would greatly advance the family.  Also 

    given to women who, through court positions end up teaching 

    imperial concubines or helping historians, and thereby gain honor 

    for their families.  The character means "clan, family, sect." 

 

Yin has since learned that <Shih> is a generic form of address meaning 

"Ms.".  We have removed it and replaced it with <O>, which Yin found 

in subsequent research; and used <O> in place of <Shih> in an example 

of an appropriate name." 

 

I couldn't find <Tan> or <Po> in any of the Academy's reports on Chinese names, which are my only sources. 

Device Commentary:

Canute: Sable, a wheel emflamed Or and in chief two natural tigers couchant respectant proper. 

Clear
 

 

5) Zygmunt Nadratowski. (M) Device Resubmission. Per pale argent gules, a cross Osmorog with roundels at each point, Sable.

(Spring Arbor, MI)

{Name reg’d:??/??}

Device returned by Rouge Scarpe 9/02 for redraw because the client’s drawing did not closely resemble his documentation for what would be the first registration of this Polish-heraldry specific charge.

Client supplied documentation of the cross Osmorog as a period Polish charge dated to 1584 in one item and 1503 in another. The items are written in Polish and Latin. Pictures of the charge in his documentation can be viewed online at http://www.geocities.com/Esctherald/0207/osmorog1.gif and http://www.geocities.com/Esctherald/0207/osmorog2.gif  

Reblazon: Per pale argent gules, a cross Osmorog sable. 

Device Commentary

Canute: Per pale argent and gules, a cross Osmorog sable 

 

The roundels appear to be part of the definition of the charge and therefore shouldn't be specifically mentioned in the blazon. 

 

The following all have a CD for the tincture of either the field or the primary charge and almost certainly a second CD for type of cross: 

Darya Kazakova - October of 1996 (via An Tir): (Fieldless) A cross of 

four ermine spots conjoined sable. 

Maximilian Delmonico - September of 1997 (via the Outlands): 

(Fieldless) An equal-armed Celtic cross clechy sable 

Allyn Samildanach - August of 1979 (via the West): (Tinctureless) A 

cross of Samildanach 

Darcy Graham - February of 1981 (via Ansteorra): Argent, a bowen knot 

in cross sable 

Clare RosMuire St. John - February of 1981 (via Ansteorra): Argent, a 

cross avellane sable, the center roundel gules 

Aengus Stiubhard Mac Dhughaill - January of 1996 (via Calontir): Barry 

and per pale argent and vert, a cross crosslet fitchy sable 

Peter fra Marstal - September of 1988 (via the West): Gyronny vert and 

argent, a Latin cross nowy pierced sable 

Gwynneth Sanquebarr - November of 1977: Or, a cross gurgity sable 

Lorraine Marcus - January of 1973 (via the West): Quarterly vert and 

Or, a cross of Lorraine sable 

 

The following might be problems for this cross: 

Emeric Wendel - August of 1979: Per pale argent and gules, a Maltese 

cross counterchanged. CD field.  The Maltese cross, with it's splayed, 

although straight, arms and notched ends has some visual similarities 

with the cross Osmorog. 

Teutonic Order - December of 1994 (via Laurel): (Fieldless) A Latin 

cross formy sable fimbriated argent. 

Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin - January of 1973: Argent, a cross patty 

sable. CD field.  The cross formy and cross patty with splayed, usually 

curving arms also have similarities in appearance to the cross Osmorog. 

Send it up.  

 

 

Done by my hand this 25th day of September, 2003 

 

 

 

Rory mac Feidhlimidh, OP

Dragon Principal Herald

820 E Monroe St.

Bloomington, IL 61701 

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