This
is the August 2003 Middle Kingdom Letter of Acceptances and Returns
for Escutcheon’s May Letter of Intent. Unless otherwise noted, all clients
will accept changes. {Comments in braces {} were removed from the Letter
of Intent sent to Laurel and the College of Arms. Names, devices, or
badges in braces have been returned or pended; general comments or replies
to commentary are also placed in braces. Commentary and rulings by
Rouge Scarpe are placed in small cap print.}. Thanks to Dugan MacLeod,
Angelique Michele d' Herisson, Angharad Rhos Tewdwr, Aryanhwy merch
Catmael, Knute, Konrad Mailander, the Fenix Commenting Group, Pendar
the Bard, John ap Wynne, Ælfreda æt Æthelwealda, & Mikhail of Lubelska,
for their commentary this month.}
And now, ON WITH THE SHOW!
1) Angharad Rhos Tewdwr
of Pembroke. (F) Device Change.
Azure, a rogacina przekrzyzowana i rozdata argent.
(Greyhope)
{Name
reg’d:12/95}
Unusual charge is unique to
Polish heraldry. Documentation for charge:
Polish Nobility and Its
Heraldry: An Introduction by Piotr Pawel Bajer online at http://www.szlachta.org/heraldry.htm#18 Illustration #18.7 (link way down
at the bottom)
Example of charge found in
An Armorial of Knights of the Golden Fleece and 15th
Century Europe, by R. Pinches &A. Wood, London, 1971 online
at http://www.szlachta.org/baj1_22.htm
specifically, the oldest form
of the arms of the Silesian Wierzbno clan and arms of the Kosciesza
clan.
If device change is passed
client would like her prior device (Or, on a chevron dovetailed counter-dovetailed
between three roundels azure three trident heads Or. reg’d 12/95)
changed to a badge.
[Esct. Comment: Yes this is
mine. I don’t believe this charge has been registered before hence the
documentation. It makes a really nifty maker’s mark J]
Reblazon:
Azure, a rogacina forked in base crossed fesswise argent.
Device Commentary:
Aelfreda & Mikhail: Device:
Although it is a unique charge, the primary resembles an arrow inverted.
As such, there is possible conflict with Sten av Norden (reg 9/73) "Azure,
an arrow inverted demi-barbed to sinister argent".
Knute: Although reminiscent
of cypher heraldry, the evidence of it's armorial existence should make
this symbol acceptable. Since this does have an independent heraldic
identity, it can appear alone on a field, despite the fact that does
look like a symbol.
Clear
Konrad: Looks like great period
armory. As long I never have to read the blazon aloud I like it.
Fenix: POSSIBLE CONFLICTS -
PROBABLY A LAUREL DECISION
We considered that this charge
may resemble an arrow under RfS X.5:
Name: Gad Waldbär
Type of Registration: Badge/Misc.
Armory
Kingdom of Registration: West
Date of Registration: 02/91
Blazon/Notes: Azure, a winged
arrow fesswise, point to dexter, wings elevated and addorsed, argent.
1 diffence for orientation
X.4.h
1 diff for adding wings per
precedent "[winged boars vs. boars] There is one CD for the number
of boars and another for removing the wings: [A winged wolf]
Conflict with ... a wolf ...
there is only one CVD for adding the wings (LoAR October 1991 p.16).
[Ruaidhri ua Ceallaigh, 09/01, A-Calontir]"
Name: Caid, Kingdom of
Type of Registration: Badge/Misc.
Armory
Kingdom of Registration: Caid
Date of Registration: 07/89
Blazon/Notes: Azure, an arrow
between in fess two crescents argent.
Notes: (For the Order of the
Argent Arrow)
If we say that Angharad's charge
is not significantly different from an arrow, then this badge has only
one difference, the addition of the crescents. The blazon sounds like
the crescents are secondaries, not part of the primary group.
Name: Sten av Norden
Type of Registration: Badge/Misc.
Armory
Kingdom of Registration:
Date of Registration: 09/73
Blazon/Notes: Azure, an arrow
inverted demi-barbed to sinister argent.
If we say that Angharad's charge
is not significantly different from an arrow, are you up to giving a
second difference for "demi-barbed" vs. "with a cross-bar?"
Escutcheon notes that the charge
has not previously been used in registered armory. Regretfully, we note
that the text of the document at http://www.szlachta.org/heraldry.htm#18
indicates that the rogacina przekrzyzowana i rozdarta is a uniquely
Polish charge.
Barring registration under
RfS VIII.6.B, we fear that the device may be returnable under RfS VII.7.B.
One might conceivably call it "an arrow with a cross-bar,"
however it is worthy of note that the author of the referenced paper
suggests that proper reproduction
of the emblazon from the blazon requires expansion of the heraldic dictionary.
We presume that the submittor has explicitly requested an exception
under RfS VIII.6.B.
Angharad: I would like to add
some additional information on this charge. The main charge name is
"rogacina" it resembles an "up" pointing arrow.
There are several variants on the basic rogacina, a rogacina przekrzyzowana
has a single cross bar on the lower portion of the arrow (a rogacina
crossed fesswise), a rogacina dwukrotnie przekrzyzowana has two crossbars
(a rogacina crossed fesswise twice), and my variant, a rogacina przekrzyzowana
i rozdata, can also be described as: a rogacina forked in base crossed
fesswise. In the interest of poor scribes who don't speak Polish, a
better blazon would be: Azure, a rogacina forked in base crossed fesswise
argent.
{) Artemas de Grimsby.
(M) Device Resubmission. Chequy sable and gules, three lion heads
erased contourny Or.
(Terre
Haute)
{Name
reg’d:09/01}
This design is exactly the
same as his previous ones, which were returned by Rouge Scarpe on 8/00
and 05/01 for poor contrast.
Once again this submission
is going to be returned under RfS XIII.2.b.iv, for poor contrast. Perhaps
a third letter of return will convince the client that he needs to make
some changes.
Device Commentary:
A & M: Device: Comparing
the mini with the previous submission's mini, the checks have been drawn
larger. The submitter, however, has not resolved the issue with poor
contrast of the field (checky of two colors not allowed). Return it
again.
Ary: Boing again... *sigh*
Fenix: DEVICE RETURNABLE
Yup, this is poor contrast
under RfS XIII.2.b.iv. This will need to be returned.
Perhaps we could recommend
Chequy gules and argent, three lion heads erased contourny Or.
I'm not showing a conflict
for this.
Knute: RfS VIII.2.b.iv. Elements
evenly divided into multiple parts of two different tinctures must have
good contrast between their parts. For example, checky argent and
gules is acceptable, but checky azure and gules is not.
Sable and gules do not have
good contrast.
Clear for any legal fields
except azure, erminois, and per chevron sable and gules.
Return for violating RfS VIII.2.b.iv.
Konrad: From it's last return:
5/01
{This design is exactly the
same as his previous one, which was returned by Rouge Scarpe on 8/00
for poor contrast. To quote RfS VIII.2.b.iv Good Contrast: "Elements
divided into multiple parts of two different tinctures must have good
contrast between their parts. For example, checky argent and gules is
acceptable, but checky azure and gules is not." By parity of reasoning,
'Checky sable and gules' is also poor contrast.}
This is still a problem. It
makes me wonder if the client understands why it is being returned (other
than heralds are all evil and don't like him) or is just stubborn.}
3) Deirdre inghen ui Bardáin.
(F) New Name {and Device. Purpure, a harp Or, surrounded by three
acorns argent.}
(Starleaf Gate)
[Deirdre]~ E.G. Withycombe-Dictionary
of English Christian Names.
[Bardáin]~Donnchadh O Corráin,
Fidelma Maguire-Irish Names-2nd Ed.,1997 p.29 s.n. [Barddán,
Barddéne: Bardán]
[inghen ui]~ “daughter of”
The “daughter of” is most important
to the client. She does not wish to be “Deirdre the Bard” but “Deirdre
daughter of the Bard”. As she only cares about the meaning, she will
accept any spelling variant of [Bardáin].
This lovely Device is being
returned for conflict with the SCA Ministry of Arts,
Purpure, an Irish harp Or. There is only 1CD for the addition
of the acorns.
Name Commentary:
Ary: There is no evidence that
<Deirdre> was used by real people any time before 1600. However,
it is SCA-compatible, per the 03/98 LoAR. I'm *very* glad she was articulate
about what meaning she wants, because she doesn't have it right now!
<inghen uí Bardáin> (which should actually be <inghean>...)
means "female member of the Ó Bardáin clan". <Bardán>
per OCM s.n. Barddán does derive from the same word as <bard>,
but when used as a personal name, that meaning would have had no bearer
on the person's actual characteristics. For a byname meaning "daughter
of a bard," she'll want <inghean an Bháird>. MacLysaght
s.n. (Mac) Ward says that "<Ward> is a common ENglish name,
but nearly all Irish Wards are <mac an Bháird> 'son of the bard',
the name of two noted bardic septs."
Fenix: "Dierdre"
is SCA-compatible. See Deirdre inghean Dhomhnaill mhic Maidecc,
December, 2000.
Name: Deirdre O'Bardon
Type of Registration: Primary
Personal Name
Kingdom of Registration: East
Date of Registration: 02/92
This name is different in sound
and appearance, RfS V.1.a, with the addition of "inghen."
We discussed the applicability of RfS V.1.a.ii.a. It appears that O'Bardon
is a surname in this englished name and not a byname of
relationship.
Device Commentary:
A&M Device: Conflict with
SCA Ministry of Arts (reg 1/73) "Purpure, an Irish harp Or."
There is one CD for addition of the secondaries.
Ary: The arms conflict with
Society for Creative Anachronism, Arts, Ministry of (reg. 01/73), "Purpure,
an Irish harp Or." There is one CD for adding the acorns. Blazon-fu:
"Purpure, a harp Or between three acorns argent." Conflict
also with Gwenhwyvar Telynores (reg. 01/99 via the East), "Purpure,
in pall a harp between three increscents argent," with one CD for
changing the crescents to acorns.
Fenix: DEVICE HAS CONFLICT
Name: Society for Creative
Anachronism, Arts, Ministry of
Type of Registration: Name
and Badge
Kingdom of Registration:
Date of Registration: 01/73
Blazon/Notes: Purpure, an Irish
harp Or.
Only one difference: the addition
of the acorns, RfS X.4.b
Knute: Society for Creative
Anachronism, Arts, Ministry of - January of 1973: Purpure, an Irish
harp Or.
Single CD for secondaries.
Return for conclict.
Konrad: Society for Creative
Anachronism, Arts, Ministry of Either the name or the following badge
associated it (or both) were registered in January of 1973: Purpure,
an Irish harp Or.
1 CD for the added acorns.
{) Deirdre inghen ui Bardáin.
(F) New Badge. Purpure, an acorn argent.
(Starleaf Gate)
{Name submitted this letter}
This badge is being retuned
for conflict with Tearlach na Drochaide
(Fieldless) An acorn argent. There is only 1CD for the fieldless.
Badge Commentary:
A&M: Conflict with Tearlach
na Drochaide (reg 9/97) "(Fieldless) An acorn argent." There
is one CD for fieldless.
Ary: This conflicts with Tearlach
na Drochaide (reg. 09/97 via AEthelmearc), "(Fieldless) An acorn
argent." There is one CD for the field. "Purpure, an acorn
inverted argent" looks to be clear.
Fenix: BADGE HAS CONFLICT
Name: Tearlach na Drochaide
Type of Registration: Badge/Misc.
Armory
Kingdom of Registration: Æthelmarc
Date of Registration: 09/97
Blazon/Notes: (Fieldless) An
acorn argent.
only one difference for the
field, RfS X.4.a.i/X.4.a.iii
Knute: Tearlach na Drochaide
- September of 1997 (via AEthelmearc):
(Fieldless) An acorn argent.
Single CD for fieldless.
Return for conflict.
Konrad: Tearlach na Drochaide
The following badge associated
with this name was registered in September of 1997 (via AEthelmearc):
(Fieldless) An acorn argent.
1 CD for fieldless.}
5) Elisaveta Izmaragd Ivanova.
(F) New Name.
(Rivenstar)
Early century Naming pattern:
Canonical or Christian name-Russian given-name-Patronymic
[Elisaveta](f)—Russianization
of [Elizabeth] Elisaveta, wife of the prophet Zakhariia. Bukharev, I.
Zhitiia vsekh sviatykh. Moscow: Tipografiia Vysochaishe utverzhdennogo
T-va I.D. Sytina, 1896 p. 502
[Izmaragd](f)-“emerald” dated
to 12th century. Found in Tupikov, N. M.
Slovar’ drevne-russkikh lichnykh sobstvennykh imen (Dictionary of
Ancient Russian Personal Names). Saint Petersburg: Tipografiia I.N.
Skorokhodova,1903 (Available in a reprint under the title: Tupikov,
Nikolaj Miichailovi. Worterbuch der Altrussischen Personennamen.
Cologne: Bohlau Verlag,1989) p.28
[Ivanova](f)~ female version
of the patronymic [Ivanov] [Ivan Guba Ivanov syn Kuneev] dated 1518
(ibid p.121)
References taken from “A Dictionary
of Period Russian Names” by Paul Wickenden of Thanet online at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/paul/
Client wants a Russian name
and cares most about language/culture.
Name Commentary:
Ary: <Elizaveta> is found
in Predslava Vydrina's "Russian Personal Names: Name Frequency
in the Novgorod Birch-Bark Letters" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/predslava/bbl/),
which gives evidence that <Elisaveta> was used in Russia outside
of the Biblical example cited in Paul's dictionary.
Fenix: The documentation for
the first two elements indeed says what the submitter says it does.
The third element is correctly formed. We found no conflicts.
6) Engelbert the Pious.
(M) New Name and Device. Azure, a sword argent, overall a crescent
Or.
(Greyhope)
[Engelbert]~name of Catholic
saint, [Engelbert of Cologne] born 1185. Found in
Patron Saints Index: Saint Engelbert of Cologne online at http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/sainte83.htm Also listed in the Catholic Encyclopedia:
Saint Engelbert of Cologne, online at http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05429c.htm b 1250, d 1331.
{This name is also client’s
mundane surname.}
Client will NOT accept MAJOR
changes.
The fact that Engelbert is
the client's surname is of no consequence with this submission. The
temporal difference is not as great as it appears - There were several
Engelbert's who served as Archbishop of Cologne in period: Engelbert
I von Berg 1216-1225, Engelbert II von Falkenstein 1261-1274, and Engelbert
III von der Marck 1364-1369. (http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archbishop_of_Cologne) Just post-period Englebert Kaemfer
was a noted author who lived 1651-1716 (http://www.rc.kyushu-u.ac.jp/~michel/serv/ek/). (And let's not forget Englebert
Humperdinck, the great singing sensation…) It is safe to assume, therefore,
that the name was used throughout period. This leaves us with only
the lingual weirdness of the German/English combination.
We are concerned with the presumptuousness
of the submitted arms, and feel they may cross the line with the standard
representation of St. Engelbert (an "archbishop with a crozier
in one hand and an upraised sword, piercing a crescent moon, in the
other"). However, not knowing exactly where to draw that line,
we will forward the device on for Wreath to make a ruling on.
Name Commentary:
A&M: Name: From the OED
2 online:
"Pious:
1. 'Careful of the duties
owed by created beings to God' (J.); characterized by or showing reverence
and obedience to God (or the gods); faithful to religious duties and
observances; devout, godly, religious. a. Of persons.
pious founder, the founder
of a college or other endowment for the glory of God and the good of
his fellow-men.
1603 SHAKES. Meas. for M.
I. iii. 16 Now (pious Sir) You will demand of me, why I do this. 1605
Macb. III. vi. 27. 1616 BULLOKAR Eng. Expos., Pious, godly, vertuous.
1627 BALCANQUAL Stat. Heriot's Hosp. Edinb. ii, The bountiefull mantenance
which they living thair receave from the charitie of thair pious founder.
1628 WITHER Brit. Rememb. 8 For we doe reade, that Kings who pioust
were Had wicked subjects."
Ary: You cannot invoke the
modern name allowance except to use an element in the same position
that it is in the modern name - e.g., this gentleman could have <Engelbert>
as a byname, but not as a given name, without further documentation.
Happily, such further documentation is forthcoming: Morlet (I:37b) has
<Engelbertus> a917-42,
a.1018, and <Engelbreht>
a.899. <Engelbert> is a likely vernacular form. Funnily enough,
the name does not appear to have been used in England, unless it was
in such a corrupted form that I can't find it easily in either
Withycombe or Reaney &
Wilson.
The earliest date that the
OED online edition has for <Pious> is 1602, from Shakespeare:
"'Tis too much prou'd, that with Deuotions visage, And pious Action,
we do sugre o're The diuell himselfe."
Without evidence for this word
being used earlier, <Engelbert the Pious> is not registerable,
as there is a temporal difference of over 300 years (one weirdness)
and another weirdness for the lingual disparity. This will have to
be returned for further work unless evidence can be found for either
<Engelbert> later or <the Pious> earlier. (This is completely
ignoring the fact that <the Pious> _cannot_ have been even an
English byname, as by the time the word came into use, descriptive,
literal bynames had long since become history in England).
Fenix: "Engelbert"
can be found in Reaney & Wilson, Dictionary of English Surnames,
corrected 3rd ed., under the header name "Inglebright". The
citation includes uses as a given name dated to 1066, Engelbricus, and
includes the
preferred spelling as an Old
German form.
Per RfS II.4, if Engelbert
is the submittor's mundane surname, it does not help this name since
it is being used as a given name and not a surname.
"Pious" is in the
Shorter OED, 5th ed., as late Middle English and in the sense of "loyal"
is archaic by the early 17th cen. It certainly fits the general form
of epithets as bynames.
Device Commentary:
A&M Device: From the documentation
at http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/sainte83.htm , St. Engelbert's
representation is an "archbishop with a crozier in one hand and
an upraised sword, piercing a crescent moon, in the other " We
feel the device, in combination with the name "Engelbert"
and the byname "the Pious" is too evocative of the saint,
and therefore violates RfS XI.2 - Presumptuous - Charge and Name Combinations.
"Armory that asserts a strong claim of identity in the context
of the submitters name is considered presumptuous."
Ary: I'm a little worried about
the drawing of the crescent, but it's still identifiable as such, so
it's up to Wreath to make a fuss about it, in my opinion.
Fenix: Device is clear of conflict.
Knute: Michael Städtler Zweihänder
- September of 1989 (via Caid):
Azure, a sword proper, overall
a lion's head cabossed Or.
Single CD for type of overall
charge.
Return for conflict.
Konrad: Did not find a conflict
with device.
7) Greylond Dowglaß de Galloway.
(M) Device Resubmission. Sable,
on a bend cotised Or, three hearts gules, in base a point Or.
(Plain
City)
Original submission (Sable,
on a bend cotised Or, three hearts gules) returned 9/02 by rouge
Scarpe for conflict with Richard Ericksson (Sable, on a bend cotised
Or, a castle palewise and a hurst of three pine trees palewise sable)
[reg’ 10/82]. Client has added a point in base to clear conflict.
Reblazon: Sable, on a bend
cotised Or, three hearts palewise gules, a point pointed Or.
Device Commentary:
Ary: His name was registered
on the 01/03 LoAR. Blazon-fu: "...three hearts _palewise_ gules...a
point _pointed_..." It's awfully small, but it's probably okay.
Fenix: Device is clear of conflict.
Device is ok as drawn, but
Signy recommends drawing the point bigger.
Knute: Clear
8) Hraefnhild Mikklesdottir.
(F) New Name {and Device. Argent, a raven rising wings addorsed and
inverted proper, and a chief rayonny gules.}
(Sternfeld)
No documentation for name.
Client wants a name meaning “raven” authentic to 8th century
Wessex (Anglo-Saxon).
{Device is being returned for
conflict with Stephen Grimfalcon de Norfolkd (reg 12/87),
Argent, a falcon striking sable within a bordure gules. }
Name changed to Hrafnhildr
Mikaelsdóttir
Name Commentary:
Ary: Geirr Bassi has <Hrafnhildr>;
this name appeared twice in the Landnamabok. He doesn't have <Mikkle>,
but he does have <Mikael> and <Mikjáll>, as borrowings of
the Christian name <Michael>. Insley's _Scandinavian Personal
Names in Norfolk_ doesn't have either name; this is my best source for
Norse names in England at the moment. I can't say whether <Hrafnhildr
Mikaelsdóttir> or <Hrafnhildr Mikjállsdóttir> are appropriate
for 8th C Wessex (I _can_ say that it's certainly not Anglo-Saxon!),
but these are fine Old Norse names.
Fenix: "Hrafnhildr"
can be found in Reaney & Wilson, under the header name "Ravenhall"
as a feminine given name in Old Norse.
Geir Bassi has "Hrafnhildr"
on page 11, second column. "Mikkelsdottir" would seem to
be similar to "Mitchelson" a header name in Reaney & Wilson
dated to 1383.
Taking the given name from
Geir Bassi "Mikael" (p. 13) and forming a patronymic from
it would seem to give "Mikaelsdottir", although we are not
certain of the genitive form of Mikael since Geir Bassi does not specify
the formation for names ending in a single "l".
Konrad: From: http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONNames_and_Gods.htm
Raven
Masculine: Hrafn-, Korp-, Krák-.
Hrafn, Rafn, Rampn, Hrafnkell,
Hrafnketill, Rafnketill, Klængr, Korpr, Korpúlfr, Krákneflingar, Krákr,
Krumr, Krymlingar, Rafnsvartr.
Feminine: Hrafn-.
Hrafnhildr, Rafnhildr, Hrefna
I'll ask our Anglo Saxon expert
tonight about the name if he is at the meeting.
Device Commentary:
Ary: According to the Glossary
of Terms, a raven proper is sable, beaked and legged gules. This raven
is simply sable, and should be blazoned as such. This conflicts with
Stephen Grimfalcon de Norfolk (reg. 12/87 via Calontir), "Argent,
a falcon striking sable within a bordure gules." There is one
CD for changing the bordure to a chief rayonny.
Fenix: Blazon change: The raven
does not appear to be rising but instead is just standing there, thus
we recommend changing the blazon to: Argent, a raven wings addorsed
and inverted proper, and a chief rayonny gules. (Since the
default posture for a raven
is close.)
Device is clear of conflict.
Knute: Argent, a raven rising
wings addorsed and inverted sable and a chief rayonny gules
Cigfran Myddrael Joserlin,
the Raven - August of 1976: Argent, a raven rising reguardant, wings
disclosed, proper, in the dexter claw a sword gules.
CD chief, possible CD sword
(maintained/sustained)
Rohlfe Ravenson - July of 1974:
Argent, a raven surgerant sable, perching upon a dexter hand in pale,
couped at the wrist proper, gauntleted azure.
CD chief, possible CD hand.
Stephen Grimfalcon de Norfolk
- December of 1987 (via Calontir): Argent, a falcon striking sable within
a bordure gules.
Single CD for type of secondary
Return for conflict.
9) Lyonete Vibert. (F)
New Name and Device. Gules, two chevronnelles inverted within a bordure
Or.
(Cleftlands)
[Lyonnete]~ found in
An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris by Colm
Dubh online at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/paris.html
[Vibert]~ Dauzat, Albert,
Dictionnaire Etymologique des Noms de Famille et Prenoms de France
(Paris: Libraire Larousse, 1987) see St. Gabriel Report 1083 at http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/1083.txt
Client wants a French name
and will NOT accept MAJOR changes.
Name Commentary:
Ary: - Lovely name.
Fenix: Citation from Dauzat
does document Vibert as a surname.
Device Commentary:
Ary: And these lovely arms
look clear to me.
Knute: Seamus ua Murchada -
December of 1995 (via the Middle):
Gules, a cubit sustaining a
hunting horn reversed within a bordure Or.
RfS X.2 does not apply. Single
CD for type of primaries.
Return for conflict.
10) Milesent Vibert.
(F) New Name {and Device. Per chevron argent and vert, three compass
stars counterchanged.}
(Cleftlands)
[Milesent]~ found in
An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris by Colm
Dubh online at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/paris.html
[Vibert]~ Dauzat, Albert,
Dictionnaire Etymologique des Noms de Famille et Prenoms de France
(Paris: Libraire Larousse, 1987) see St. Gabriel Report 1083 at http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/1083.txt
Client wants a French name
and will NOT accept MAJOR changes.
The Device is being returned
for conflict with Andrew Greencloak Hethilsson – 07/86 Per chevron argent
and vert, in base a mullet of four points argent. There is only 1 CD
for adding the mullets. There’s no CD for a mullet of four vs. compass
stars – “a compass star vs a mullet of four points] The overwhelming
visual similarities between a mullet of four points and a mullet of
four greater and four lesser points/compass star, both of which are
non-period charges, mandates against granting a ... CD for this relatively
minor difference. (Raffaelle de Mallorca, 6/95 p. 23)”
Name Commentary:
Fenix: Citation from Dauzat
does document Vibert as a surname.
Device Commentary:
Knute: Andrew Greencloak Hethilsson
- July of 1986 (via the Middle): Per chevron argent and vert, in base
a mullet of four points argent.
Single CD for adding vert mullets.
No CD for mullet of four vs compass star.
Return for conflict.
11) Wilhelm von Wolfsburg.
(M) Device Resubmission. Sable, a trident Or between two
flaunches argent.
(Henderson,
KY)
{Name
sent to Laurel Nov 2002}
Clients original device submission
(Sable, a trident Or, overall a chevron gules fimbriated Or) returned
11/02 by Rouge Scarpe for redraw. Client has decided on a different
design.
.
Device Commentary:
Ary: His name was registered
on the 03/03 LoAR. This redesign is much better! I find no conflicts
or other problems.
Fenix: Name: Kolozsvári Arpád
Type of Registration: Device
Kingdom of Registration: East
Date of Registration: 03/97
Blazon/Notes: Sable, a trident
between two natural seahorses respectant Or.
Are the seahorses secondaries
or part of the primary group? If secondaries, then we have a change
to both type and tincture of the secondaries. If primaries, then we
have a change of number and type of the primary plus addition of secondaries.
So, either way, it's clear.
Knute: Kolozsvári Arpád - March
of 1997 (via the East): Sable, a trident between two natural seahorses
respectant Or.
Single CD for type of secondaries.
Return for conflict.
Done by my hand this 25th day
of August, 2003
Rory mac Feidhlimidh, OP
Rouge Scarpe Herald
820 E Monroe
Bloomington, IL 61701
rougescarpe@midrealm.org